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What Is a Rolling Civil War?

The next American civil war won't look like this... will look like this instead. Seem familiar? Maybe it's already started.

By Thomas Neuburger

I want to expand on an idea I discussed last year (see "Biden Classifies Opposition to 'Capitalism and Corporate Globalization' As Extreme"), first, because one of its points was likely obscured it by other ideas in the piece, and second, to add a picture of what our "rolling civil war" will actually look like.

What Is a 'Rolling Civil War'?

People look at the broken and breaking United States today and see some kind of civil war coming. The problem is, their picture of that war has traditional elements and parameters.

The Right imagines citizen-armies of armed militias fighting the police and the military in an attempt to take over the state. This picture is similar to insurgencies like Mao in China, Shining Path in Peru, or Simón Bolívar in much of South America. The implication is armies in the field, or at least guerilla fighting.

That's not what's going to happen this time. As Joe Biden correctly said: "If you think you need weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons."

Neither the rebellious left nor the rebellious right has any of that.

The reasons why the actual civil war — which has already started — will have a different shape are explained below. The main reason is that it's so badly led by the left, thanks to the pro-status quo efforts of the Democratic Party and it's professional leaders. Absent leadership by the institutional left, it's being (mis)led by the institutional right, but not just them.

Here a list of the the rolling civil war's likely participants. Note that many of these groups are already 'activated':

  • Sanders-type leftists, mainly peaceful

  • Black bloc leftists, mainly not

  • Boogaloo types who are revolutionary in intent and violent

  • Boogaloo types who are NOT revolutionary in intent, and violent

  • Street gangs looking to f*ck people up

  • Cops, looking to "let their RW freak flag fly"

  • Actual criminals who see ways to benefit from civil disorder (thieves, some organized, etc.)

  • Participants from the NatSec state (undercover cops, agents provocateurs), which wants to use self-created disruption to enhance authoritarian power

  • People inspired by Republican and right-wing institutions (overlaps with Boogaloos and similar trouble-seekers) to do what the security state is doing, foment disruption for Republican Party electoral benefit

This kind of "war" can include more than action in the streets. All kinds of resistance contributes to it. A general strike, especially if accompanied by other blocking behavior, is always part of a civil war–style revolt.

It's better, in fact, to have the whole populace involved in the war than just a guerilla cadre — better for stating the case that resistance is called for, that is. A cadre resistance can be more successful (think of a coup), even when it's less well supported.

As I said above, this war has already started. The first signs were political — Obama's duplicitous 'Yes we can', which immediately became 'No I won't'; the Sanders-led rebellion of 2016; the Sanders-abandoned rebellion of 2020; and yes, the mess on Jan 6, which was a great many things, a manifestation of this being one of them.

We've been pre-revolutionary for a very long while. We're watching the "pre" part slowly disappear.

What's Coming and Why

The rolling civil war that's brewing in this country is a messy, badly led, ideologically-mixed affair, with many elements, suspect and expected alike, rebelling against all of the ways that Big Money screws most people, which is almost all of the country.

Most of the professional class, that group in the top 10% but below the top 1%, is exempt from these impulses. They still have happy lives, and the world still looks to them as it looked to their mothers and grandmothers in 1955.

They have largely no idea, for example, that police violence against the black, brown and poor among us is systemic, that it can't be fixed by hiring better apples to replace the bad ones. Cops don't want better apples — meaning, cops who will turn the bad cops in for their crimes. That kind of better apple gets shot in the back.

The rolling civil war in all its manifestations is what the new national security posture is concentrating to oppose — again, cheered by Resistance and MSNBC Liberals to their inevitable detriment and, after it's too late, regret.

Where We Are Today

What's on the horizon? Anything is possible right now, good outcomes and bad, but sadly the bad seems much more likely to occur.

Biden is right: If you think you need weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons. The only way the rebellious right will take power is via their treacherous pro-corporate elected and appointed officials, people like Amy Coney Barrett, who was put on the court, according to the folks at Breaking Points, not to wage culture war, but to ensure and enhance corporate power. Obamacare, bane of the cultural right, still stands — even Coney Barret defended it — but Goldman Sachs is defended at all costs and from all sides of the supposedly divided Court.

If the rebellious Right does take power (as it's trying to do), the rebellious left will (or certainly should) take to the streets, and the war continues, government supporting the Right with ugly force, the non-Right supporting people fighting it, with the split in the populace much as we see it today. It will become partisan chic to oppose the next Trumpist president — or it should.

The only way the rebellious Left will take power is via the almost-entirely-closed political system. The first modern chance of that was in 2008 and the duplicitous "Hope and Change" campaign of Barack Obama. But he was never that guy. He was always this guy instead. The second modern chance was the Sanders campaigns of 2016 and 2020, both ruthlessly quashed by professional Democrats, who then folded the veneer of his thought into their 2020 sales pitch. (And he, in all innocence I'm sure, let them do it.)

The Left will only take power by taking to the streets if (a) a determined leader emerges (a Sanders who won't hand his sword to the next Joe Biden), and (b) once in office, that person cleans out and completely reforms the professional Democratic Party — or replaces it.

Odds of that happening are zero. Professional Democrats will kill the resistant Left — as they've regularly done — rather than surrender their power, their personal share of Establishment wealth and place.

This leaves the system exactly nowhere at all, and the suffering masses — the non-ideological soccer moms and put-upon three-job dads, the gig-working masses who shower after work and not before — with no way to hope for real change. They'll take it till they can't, then join whatever rebellion already exists, the one you're seeing now.

Three Outcomes

This leaves just three outcomes, since a solution — real reform of a government owned by its wealthy — can only occur in one way.

  • A true Left resistance succeeds, and government and the Democratic Party are truly reformed.

  • Resistance against government fails but isn't put down. This puts us back to the Movement of the 60s and 70s, which was allowed to exist (no tanks in the streets) till the Vietnam War, the Movement's driving force, was ended. The modern Movement, if there is one, doesn't have such a neat goal that brings it to a close.

  • Whoever is in government, the nominal left or right, backed by whatever is left of the non-resistant nation, clamps down, using the National Security apparatus as a sword (tanks in the streets if necessary). Slowly the nation becomes a Stalinist state — everyone hunkered down — until the climate jackpot jumps from the box. Then all bets are off.

All three outcomes are possible. The first is far less likely. In my view, it's 50-50 on the other two. (An excellent example of the third alternative is Kazakhstan.)

Professional Democrats Are the Ones At Fault

As evil as the Republicans are, this is the professional Democrats' fault. If they weren't so determined to make sure the left never leads today's revolt, we'd be in better shape.

But professional Democrats have ceded leadership of the anti-wealth rebellion to the Right, which leads it duplicitously. As we stand today:

• Democrats are the party of what people are revolting against (the status quo). Biden has made explicit the duplicitous broken promise of Obama.

• Republicans are the party of lies and false solutions.

• No one represents the interests of the revolt itself, or the needs of the people engaged in it.

I don't see either party's leaders changing their stance. Thus the mess we see coming, or already here.

There Will Be No Chinese Century

A side note: Lest anyone worry, there will be no "Chinese Century." The Chinese will have exactly the same problem we do. They have two "breadbaskets," spread roughly a thousand miles apart.

The ancient near one, the one next to Beijing, the one that spawned the Han civilization in the first place, will be under water before 2100. The chaos there will be great as the chaos here.

And like the U.S. in the not-too-distant decades, China too will lose territorial integrity.

This shows the 'nine nations' of modern China. After the chaos, there will be more than nine, and all will be smaller.

Anything that anyone with glory on their minds seeks to own in the next 50 years or so, cannot be owned by anyone. That world, if we get there, will be lost.

That's very small comfort, I know, but I do know those who are comforted to think it.


(To read all of my work, visit God's Spies at More information here and here.)


d-crapper, Wow, you always have to talk down to everyone. You always sit in your basement room and come on like a know it all middle school teacher correcting the papers of children you can't stand. Earth to crapper, Thomas Neuburger is no seventh or eighth grade pupil and who the fuck are you to think you can go through what HE has to say with your dull red pencil? "I would rather have seen..." No one cares what YOU would rather have seen if it's coming from you. You have no credibility because you've blown it with your attitude towards everyone who isn't in your bathroom mirror. The tragedy is that even in the few instances where you hit…

Jan 12, 2022
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proving that objectivity cannot coexist with hatred.

yep. I'm not even talking down to you. just observing what you proved.


Jan 11, 2022

Good column. Clearly thoughtful. I disagree with some of it, but you're heading down the right alley.

Biggest error is in not understanding how balkanized the civil war is and shall be. It looks different in TX and AL than it does in CA and NY (except rural shitholes therein). Very possibly, bannon is planning a gradual takeover starting in the racist south and spreading (via the domino theory?) gradually. DC will be an important early take. Shouldn't be a problem. democraps don't ever do shit about anything.

"The Right imagines citizen-armies of armed militias fighting the police and the military in an attempt to take over the state."

The best case for the nazis is for their million man…

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